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Monday, June 30, 2008

Not A Blogger Kills Status Ain't Hood

Our Glorious Leader Knows What's Up...

Those that were with this (not a) blog since it's genesis know that I got my start as the XXL-mentioned "superstar" blogger that I've become as a lowly commenter on my notorious, much-hated on nemesis', Tom Breihan's blog, "Status Ain't Hood", over at the Village Voice's website. It's no secret that I have been on a one-man crusade to hate on and disparage Tom's tragic taste in popular rap music since my days as a fruit fly bitching about motherfuckin' Pitbull being placed higher than Nas in Tom's personal canon. Nothing brings me greater pleasure then slyly mocking Tom and others of his tragic ilk when they fawn over Weezy's second rate Ol' Dirty Bastard impression as if it's the Word.

So it came as a personal shock to me yesterday, when I discovered that Tom will be leaving the Village Voice and ending his most notorious blog. I was devasted in ways that can't possibly be expressed in words. Whose words will I get needlessly worked up into a healthy and gooey froth over when they make outrageous claims like Young Jeezy is a good rapper or Cam'ron is lyrical genius? Noz? He no longer works for XXL. Bol? The man is basically a self-parody now. I suppose there is always the rest of the clowns at Pitchfork.com but it's just not gonna be the same without Tom riding the nuts of some half-assed indie rock band. I may have to continue on my path to complete self-destruction and take up drinking at work without a proper nemesis to waste my time hating on.

Now Tom claims that he's leaving the Voice of his own personal accord for greener pastures, however, we all know what's really up. I can only take this loss of one of the world's most notorious bloggers as my own personal victory and a testament to my supreme ability to hate on people that I barely know. I mean it's a great comfort to know my hating is that powerful and influential. Who knows? Could I end the career of Shawn Carter next? Time will only tell.

I started this blog almost as the anti-Status Ain't Hood when one of my fellow commentors on the blog asked after I made another one of my patented sarcastic bile-infused rants if I had a "humorless blog somewhere where I can read more." I took that piece of criticism to heart and soon started the blog that you are reading today. "Not A Blogger" was created as a sanctuary for hip hop that didn't suck; where rappers with actual, discernible talent would be praised and mediocre rappers would be endlessly mocked for the amusement of all (but mostly myself). I feel that since this blog was concieved as the antithesis to Tom's blog that since Tom has left the Village Voice that the only logical choice to fill his position would be me. I feel that I would be truly an inspired and excellent choice to be the the Voice's resident music blogger since I actually know what I'm talking about and can most assuredly say something controversial to bait page views and the comment flies. I encourage (nay demand) that all of my loyal readers (Tray and Trey that means you!) to write to the Village Voice and demand that they hire me as their new music blogger. You know I will work cheap. Just ask the Los Angeles Times. They had me working for free!

In all seriousness, Tom is one of my favorite writers working today. I read his blog religiously and he is one of the best writers writing about popular music today. Hyperbole and my asshole rants aside, I will really miss checking his blog when I'm goofing off at work and I really do wish him nothing but the best in the future. I'll probably end up following him to whatever forum hires him next as a writer if nothing else for my sheer amusement. I actually happened to meet his brother, once, while I was working on a film production in New Jersey and he was a really nice guy so I'm assuming Tom is pretty much like him. I mean if for nothing else, Tom's a Syracuse University alumni like myself so he's at least got that going for him. Us, Orange(men), have got to stick together, after all.

Although for the record, there is nothing more hood than status. Just ask Jay-Z.

49 comments:

Madman said...

Have you always hated Camron or is it just his minor acclaim from Pitchfork and Mr. Breihan that fuels your hate??

DocZeus said...

Well, I can't say I've always hated Cam'ron since I was ignoring him pretty solidly until "Oh Boy" but I gotta say my hatred of Cam stems from my immense distaste for "Purple Haze" a.k.a. The Worst Album That I Actually Intentionally Bought.

I also inexplicably own "Thoughts Of A Predicate Felon" but that was a complete accident. I didn't send my return slip to Columbia House in time and they sent me that abortion.

Madman said...

*walks out of blog quietly, because Purple Haze is one of his favorite CDs*

DocZeus said...

"*walks out of blog quietly, because Purple Haze is one of his favorite CDs*"

Oh god, no. That album is just...so....everything about it makes me cringe... It's just so...eww.... No words can express... Just no. Oh god, no.

Down And Out is the shit, though.

Madman said...

Even though, half of what Cam was saying was nonsense in the purest form of the word, dude has hella flow and a voice that sounds good over damn near any type of production. And his production knocks! And his skits are hilarious!

Ass Hat said...

nice post, doczeus. the blogsmological ying and yang will be out of wack until you and tom are reunited in perpetual combat.

perhaps you should send him your copy of 'thoughts of a predicate felon' as a leaving present. i'm sure he could find something on there to love.

Trey Stone said...

i know you always do this tongue-in-cheek but not really thing (and even though i'm sometimes similar the extent to which you do it bugs me sometimes cuz i think it's kinda a copout...but an-y-way,) but i generally don't lump Breihan in with any old Pitchfork dude (even though, you know, he writes for Pitchfork) despite the Cam'ron stannery. i mean at least he isn't arguing Juelz Santana or Jim Jones is good. Cam may be lazy but at least half of Haze and to a lesser extent half of Come Home are entertaining, not something i can say for human wack in the flesh or Mr. shit on every remix he can

also i may not have a blog right now, but i'm coming for that number one spot someday, if not at the Voice than somewhere else. call me the Non-Hipster Who Agrees with Pitchfork More Than Real Hip-Hop Stans but Still Thinks Pitchfork Has Some Questionable Opin...OK that's too convoluted.

Dart Adams said...

Too bad I never bothered to read Status Ain't Hood so I could really appreciate this. *Shrugs shoulders*

One.

Trey Stone said...

also man, i know we already went through this but c'mon with the "Wayne is an ODB knockoff" shit lol. i mean Nas's flow and dense lyricism are heavily influenced by Rakim but he's still Nas yeah? and that's a lot more direct, unless you think "weird voice + weird voice...my god, he's a ripoff!" it just reeks of Wu stannery, Weezy hatery and vague broad brush...ery

DocZeus said...

"also man, i know we already went through this but c'mon with the "Wayne is an ODB knockoff" shit lol. i mean Nas's flow and dense lyricism are heavily influenced by Rakim but he's still Nas yeah? and that's a lot more direct, unless you think "weird voice + weird voice...my god, he's a ripoff!" it just reeks of Wu stannery, Weezy hatery and vague broad brush...ery"

I know I've conveyed this a zillion ways at a zillion other blogs but here we go again. What bothers me the most about Lil' Wayne is the whole Wayne's a genius because he's weird bit more than any of his actual music. I find his music just to be ok and I'd normally wouldn't have a problem letting him live but it's the fawning stannery as if he's this new breed of emcee that bothers me.

I bring ODB because he's the most obvious connection. I mean I was listening to "N*gga Please" this weekend and I was struck about how similar that record was to "The Carter III." And I think "N*gga Please" outside of a few truly genius moments (I Can't Wait, Got Your Money, Cold Blooded) is just as mediocre as C3. Return to the 36 Chambers is my shit, though.

If people want to raise ODB, Kool Keith, and Biz Markie into the pantheon of great emcees as well. I'll grudgingly include Weezy but until that day, the severely lacking in historical context Weezy love will continue to get the gas face from me.

tray said...

Whose words will I get needlessly worked up into a healthy and gooey froth over when they make outrageous claims like Young Jeezy is a good rapper or Cam'ron is lyrical genius?

I may have to start my own blog. purplehazeisaclassic.blogspot.com.

If people want to raise ODB, Kool Keith, and Biz Markie into the pantheon of great emcees as well. I'll grudgingly include Weezy...

But Kool Keith and Biz Markie already are in the pantheon! At least they're in Robbie's. Now, Wayne doesn't belong because, unlike Kool Keith, he didn't give us a classic album, and, unlike Biz, he didn't even give us any classic songs. Which maybe is unfair because Biz got to work with Marley Marl and Wayne gets his beats from "Maestro" (who?), but what Wayne song will everyone still know 20 years from now? I can't think of one. Wayne's like Busta '08. Really entertaining, great flow, nuts, total lack of content, dreads, better on mixtapes than actual albums (see Busta's contribution to the intro on DJ Doo Wop's classic mixtape, '95 Live)... they're basically the same guy. You can make a strong argument that Wayne's the best thing we've got right now, but all that shows is that we're living in a great emcee-less time.

DocZeus said...

"I may have to start my own blog. purplehazeisaclassic.blogspot.com."

Yeah, why don't you have a blog. You waste so much time on other's people's blogs. It might be better spent waxing poetic about why everything sucks like I do.

And I'm hope your not suggesting that Busta doesn't have any classic songs. I mean "Woo-Ha!", "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See", "Dangerous", et al are all the basic definiton of classic.

Christopher said...

Actually, Kool Keith has both "Sex Styles" and "Dr. Octagon". The latter of which I don't like that much but it makes undies cream their triple 5 soul's.

Trey Stone said...

i dunno about genius, but the dude is pretty brilliant. if you'd asked me about Carter II through Drought 3 i wouldn't be so sure, but C3 proved to me that he knows exactly what he's doing, it's not some unintentional sizzurp'd shtick. i remember Breihan talked about Wayne rapping over Dipset beats on Drought 3 and how Purple Haze Cam'ron could be an influence on him, and i'd agree except unlike Cam (who is a douchebag on and off-record, albeit a sometimes entertaining one on-record) Wayne is extremely relatable and human, he just has entertaining weirdo tendencies.

personally i kinda think the hiphopsphere kinda seems to have their heads in their ass about what "real hip-hop lyricism" needs to be. Wayne is a great lyricist and even his most out-there stream-of-thought shit makes sense, why is that a problem? if anything i think the types that people seem to hype as alternatives to Jay-Z, Kanye, Lil Wayne etc. type rap are "lyrical" to a dry, boring degree, like y'all are getting your Jay-Z Kingdom Come on and trying to hard to be "mature." i mean someone like Masta Ace might make some OK background music for when you don't really want to focus that much, but just because the dude's "positive," has a mellow flow (i'm thinking Long Hot Summer...sure his flow may differ before that) and doesn't spaz out doesn't automatically make him any more interesting or better than other rappers.

Trey Stone said...

i should also mention that while Wayne's flow is off-kilter, it's also great in the traditional sense, so i don't think the "well ODB has to be one of the greats too" point holds. actually you could kinda see Wayne as a bridge between ODB weirdness and Jay-Z in that sense...OK i need a better comparison

africanorigins said...

"i mean someone like Masta Ace might make some OK background music for when you don't really want to focus that much"


I know this is probably preference. But it's hard for me to see how you can marginalize artists like Masta Ace for questionable reasons. By my observations at least. I just don't get it. But I tend to be a fan of the 'boring' rap contingent as you might say. But I say to each his own.


You really focus on Wayne's music because he can 'spaz' really well and because of his 'great flow'. I think I know what you're saying. Most of my friends who are fans express similar sentiments. But, could you elaborate more please?

tray said...

And I'm hope your not suggesting that Busta doesn't have any classic songs. I mean "Woo-Ha!", "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See", "Dangerous", et al are all the basic definiton of classic.

Those are great songs, but on a way lesser order of classic than Make The Music With Your Mouth Biz, Just A Friend, Vapors, Nobody Beats the Biz, even Albee Square Mall. Actually, Goin' Off is probably much better than any album Wayne's ever made.

Trey Stone said...

Wayne does have a great flow that's the best and most versatile in rap right now. however that's not the only reason i like him. i'm still finishing college and i consider myself pretty intellectual (not a deluded thing, i know plenty pseudo-intellectual college types) but not someone who's a square or too cool for parties, and in that way i relate to Wayne's weirdo/serious subject matter split. unlike other rappers like The Game, the token 50 Cent/G-Unit "i'm sorry, the streets made me this way" song and [insert conscious rapper here] Wayne's different styles don't come off as contrived or lame to me. when he's rapping crazy and then drops some real affecting material in the middle of it it hits real hard. Brandon Soderberg's made this argument before over at his blog and i think it's on-point

africanorigins said...

"when he's rapping crazy and then drops some real affecting material in the middle of it it hits real hard."

Ok. I see where you're coming from with that. Not comparing the two. But for some reason Plies does this pretty kinda good to my liking.

tray said...

Can't take anyone who likes Plies seriously.

Jules Winnfield said...

Just to weigh in on the Lil' Wayne stuff, about a month ago I hated him. All my friends were telling me how he was the best rapper ever, and I just refused to listen. I thought he was complete garbage. Now, after giving Tha Carter III a good amount of listens, I like the guy. I still don't understand the GOAT bullshit, or even best rapper alive, it's just totally unfounded. He's just a weird (gimmicky?) rapper who makes some pretty listenable music. I wouldn't even place him in the realm of a Lupe Fiasco, much less that of a Nas or Jay-Z. Just my thoughts...

Trey Stone said...

Jay-Z, yeah, i mean Carter III is Wayne's only great album and Jay has six albums i like as a whole to varying degrees. at the same time i think if you put Wayne now against Jay at his peak it'd be close. it's hard to completely judge cuz i feel like Hov in his prime is one of those rappers who consistently brings it, but while Wayne is occasionally inconsistent he might have more "holy shit" moments at this point.

as far as Nas, dude has serious mono-flow issues and while i know heads have tried to salvage his catalogue it really is that inconsistent (IWW and Stillmatic suck, sorry.) he's better than Lupe though, aside from him not condensing his style enough his production team sucks. ambitious lyrical themes don't necessarily = good music if you don't do it right

Zilla Rocca said...

Putting Jay in his prime vs. Lil Wayne at any point in his existence and thinking "it would be close" is hilarious.

Forget albums and singles, bar for bar Jay's GUEST appearances shit on Wayne. Wayne at least had a chance when Gillie was writing all of his shit (the first Carter was raw).

People who swear by Wayne must also love those string of parody movies "Date Movie" "Superhero Movie" etc. He just strings along a bunch of obvious references that reward the listener for putting 1+1 together in 0.2 seconds flat. He's the perfect MC for the internet/ADD/constant content generation, the Dane Cook of rappers.

Do me a favor Tray, cause I haven't checked for since since Carter 2/Dedication 2...give me a list of his 5 best lyrical excursions, I'll check them out, and if he see Jay on any of them, I'll give him his props. Otherwise, this shit is straight blasphemous

jayson said...

Man, look at this mealy-mouthed shit. You don't even have the courage of your convictions. I'm fucking appalled that my dig at you from like two years ago actually inspired you to rise from the gutter of Tom's comment section to semi-renown. From the bottom of my heart, DocZeus...fuck you.

DocZeus said...

Jayson-

First of all, let me just say that if I've offended your delicate fucking sensibilties than you are reading the wrong fucking blog. If you are looking for flowery critical handjobs of total mediocrity you can read somebody else's blog.

And second of all, people are allowed to have a contradictory opinion and allowed to express a contradictory opinion in a way that will offend those who can't take a fucking joke. Tom Breihan is not the definitive opinion on rap music. He just has a bigger platform than I do.

And what the hell are you talking about saying that I don't have the courage of my convictions? I don't have any personal beef (because e-beef is fucking ridiculous) with Breihan so to suggest that by wishing him well is a cop-out is just bullshit. The world ain't black and white. This is just my warped way of paying homage to a guy thatinfluenced this blog.

And even if I was completely ripping Tom Combat Jack style which I'm not, if you are a writer writing for a public forum, you should expect to get thrown under a bus every now and then. Hell, I got ripped by Byron Crawford on XXL a few months back for deigning to take part in that failed L.A. Times Beatbox experiment.

And finally I'd like to offer a hearty fuck you for good measure.

jayson said...

DocZeus -

Let me clarify. It's not your oh-so-controversial opinions I take issue with, nor the poor way your express them.

It's more the repulsive way that you have parlayed dickriding a guy with an actual music writing job into some form of recognition. Truly, about as low as you can get.

DocZeus said...

"It's more the repulsive way that you have parlayed dickriding a guy with an actual music writing job into some form of recognition. Truly, about as low as you can get."

Actually, I didn't. I started out just writing this blog and people caught on to it. If I owe anything to anybody, it would be Brandon, Rafi, Joey and Jeff Weiss who were ones of the first to link to my shit which I definitely appreciate.

DocZeus said...

Actually, I suppose if you are suggesting that me occasionally poking fun at Tom Breihan is the reason that my blog has even slight recognition than I suppose I'm guilty as charged.

How dare I mock such a powerful and venerable institution as the Village Voice and Pitchfork Media. I should just bow to my hipster overlords, burn my Nas CD's, and start worshipping Dwayne Carter's drealocks as if they were made of Jesus flesh. I repent. I repent.

Jordan said...

Blogger Beef: Will it ever end?

Jayson should chill the fuck out, but Doc, it is a less than classy move when you demand the voice hire you, even if it's just a joke.

DocZeus said...

"Jayson should chill the fuck out, but Doc, it is a less than classy move when you demand the voice hire you, even if it's just a joke."

Yeah, I suppose, you're right. I'm breaking my cardinal review of never e-beefing but the dude basically called me a hack so I felt justified.

Although, technically... I demanded that other people write in and demand that they hire me which I feel is an ingenious way to get hired at any place of work. I'm doing this when I apply to work at Border's when I inevitably get fired from my current job.

Trey Stone said...

zilla -- first off it's Trey not tray. not that i don't understand but no offense to tray (ie yes offense) i consider my comments a lot more reasoned than his rampant conscious/alt rap hating/"Rick Ross and Jeezy kill Kanye West"-isms.

you said a couple things in your posts that i think show a fundamental difference to how we approach rap. first off, that the first Carter is raw (i guess that's convenient because it's the only one Gillie's said he wrote.) i personally think that's the best example of ADD Wayne you refer to here, his flow isn't condensed enough, his punchlines aren't interesting and he doesn't manipulate his voice like he does now. it's a classic Documentary production over rhymes album, only Fresh's beats there > Doc as a whole, and even there Wayne shits on Game.

you haven't checked for Wayne since C2/D2? then listen to C3, i mean damn. if you don't like it then whatever but i'm not arguing about him vs. Jay in his prime off C2, which i think was a solid but derivative in parts attempt of his to make his Blueprint. and it's funny you bring up Hov's guest verses because i think those're maybe his weakest point. he's the opposite of a Ludacris, who kills his guest verses but makes shyte albums. granted Hov's got his share of cold guest verses ("Guess Who's Back" and "Go Crazy" come to mind) but he's definitely got some lazy ones. Wayne's guest verses are always good to great with the exception of "Barry Bonds" and maybe a couple others heads get hung up on.

with Jay and Wayne, i at least see 'em in the same range of the general type of emcee i like though, even though now they've got very different styles. Lupe and Nas now? no fucking way, except for maybe when Nas is on some serious A-game and doesn't pick garbage beats.

also, i gotta side with jayson here, at risk of getting blasted again as a blogless comment fruitfly (got other shit going on right now, don't have the time) but whatever. while i think some of your opinions are poorly reasoned Doc you're a good writer. however, there's a reason Breihan was hired at the Voice over any Combat Jack types (who you're a much better writer than, but you seem to throw in with that set of reactionary purists a lot) and it's not because of any Nas Sucks Ass tongue-in-cheekness. the fact that you're painted this as some David and Goliath Doc vs. Pitchfork and The Worldwide Hip Hop-Destroying Hipster Conspiracy is really silly, if it was another Pitchfork writer maybe, but even if he might share some opinions Breihan is not your average Pitchfork writer

i agree with the lack of convictions comment as far as the tongue-in-cheek shit...i know where it's coming from but i mean after a while it's like, we get it. it's OK to be completely serious without dressing it up

jayson said...

"How dare I mock such a powerful and venerable institution as the Village Voice and Pitchfork Media. I should just bow to my hipster overlords, burn my Nas CD's, and start worshipping Dwayne Carter's drealocks as if they were made of Jesus flesh. I repent. I repent."

Dude, mock away. It is your right as a blogger and a hater to mock Pfork and Village Voice, and they deserve some healthy mockery.

But don't then hypocritically use their wider platforms to hype and plug your little ass in the same breath you're supposely condemning them. That's weak, weak shit, and it erases whatever little credibility your rant may have had. "Hey, Tom Breihan is a tool! To read more about how much of a tool he is, read my blog!"

That's called feeding off of someone else's success, and it is, as I said before, pretty much the lowest you can sink.

And to be fair, I didn't call you a hack -- though, now that you mention it, it's an apt term. No, I think you're more of a parasite.

Oh, and to folks who want to me to chill out: don't worry, I will never bother to check this blog again, and have nothing further to say.

DocZeus said...

"also, i gotta side with jayson here, at risk of getting blasted again as a blogless comment fruitfly (got other shit going on right now, don't have the time) but whatever. while i think some of your opinions are poorly reasoned Doc you're a good writer. however, there's a reason Breihan was hired at the Voice over any Combat Jack types (who you're a much better writer than, but you seem to throw in with that set of reactionary purists a lot) and it's not because of any Nas Sucks Ass tongue-in-cheekness. the fact that you're painted this as some David and Goliath Doc vs. Pitchfork and The Worldwide Hip Hop-Destroying Hipster Conspiracy is really silly, if it was another Pitchfork writer maybe, but even if he might share some opinions Breihan is not your average Pitchfork writer

i agree with the lack of convictions comment as far as the tongue-in-cheek shit...i know where it's coming from but i mean after a while it's like, we get it. it's OK to be completely serious without dressing it up "

Of course, the reason that Village Voice hired Tom is that he's excellent writer and he covers music that the Voice’s demographic love. He's a better writer than me, of course I won’t even begin to deny that (I mean I don't even know how to properly use a semi-colon. I really could use a copy editor.) I've never suggested that Tom isn't a good writer. Just that his taste in rap music is suspect and superficial. It reeks of commercial and regional bias as if the only thing that's worth hearing is from the South and/or popular which I guess is one in the same these days. I mean he defended "This Is Why I'm Hot!" if I remember correctly. (That fucking abortion!) He fails consistently to delve into any hip hop that’s “traditionalist” at his own expense. He didn’t bother to cover two of the best reviewed “traditionalist” rap albums of the year: Elzhi’s “Europass” and eMC’s “The Show”.

And if I could deconstruct my own writing for a second and be completely self-masturbatory: OF COURSE, my whole shtick with Me vs. the Global Hipster Conspiracy is silly. It's a literary device. I'm perfectly aware at how absurd my whole gimmick is. But that's my writing style and thus far, it's been successful for me. I actually write in two separate voices, my normal more analytical/narrative voice which I use when I write a normal sentence structure and my darker and more satiric voice which I use when I write my asides in parentheses. I mean probably a direct influence on that is Stephen Colbert’s The Word. Most of my more comment baiting material on my blog is written in parenthetical asides and that’s by design.

As for my supposed tongue-in-cheekiness or any lack of theoretical convictions, I always mean what I say. I just don’t necessarily mean how I say it. I know it’s nauseatingly glib at times but it’s just how I write. Point taken, though.

Trey Stone said...

maybe this means i'm arguing better lately cuz i feel like we're finding more common ground. even if you're a deranged Nastan and boring rap booster. OK so not really (shit i just did the halftongueincheek thing...) but anyway.

i agree with your point about Breihan having superficial tastes to an extremely small degree. like for instance, that G-Unit interview recently where he said he liked "I Like the Way She Do It," and maybe parts of that Young Dro mixtape post. but i don't agree with it as far as his overall tastes. put it like this: yes he loves Wayne, T.I., Jeezy and other Southern rap, but he also really likes The Roots's last two albums, admitted he liked Common's last album, likes Lupe, loves the last Wu album, likes Devin the Dude etc. etc. it seems to me like the guy just enjoys good rap (even though i only think the Wu is OK, don't like Lupe and have found the bits of Devin i've heard kinda boring...but again off-track) and doesn't place an especially heavy emphasis on its social consequences or lyrical nitpicking like a lot of the rest of the hiphopsphere does. and with the former, he's acknowledged his qualms with Jeezy/Cam'ron-style crack rap. i relate as someone who listens to music like that but is sometimes uncomfortable with its impact on urban black and Latino communities. at the same time i understand why people would genuinely like it for completely non-rebellious reasons.

like i said, i get the tongue-in-cheek thing and i use it myself sometimes with exaggerating my preference for certain artists into stannery/hating on others. it's just that sometimes i feel like you're dancing around the point is all. i mean for example it's clear that you think Nas is the shit and think Jay is cool but over-praised, and sometimes it's OK to say that without exaggeration, half-seriousness or tangential joke attempts about the artists' personal life/actions.

anyway, i'd emphasize no disrespect cuz i like your writing, this and Soderberg's rap blogs are the two i make sure to check, no disrespect (i'll find a new term) to Weiss and Straight Bangin'. keep at it

DocZeus said...

Jayson-

Let me just say once again, go fuck yourself. Enjoy carrying weed, working freelance at the Voice, desperately trying to curry favor with the big dogs as you sycophantically massage their right and left nuts in the delusioned hope they'll give you a staff position at a newspaper that is a vastly sinking ship. (Yeah, I saw your Rick Ross article on the website, asshole. I know what the fuck is up.)

If you had bothered to read my blog before turning into the equivalent of an obsessed fourteen year old girl stumbling onto a negative article about Madonna, you would know that I don't take myself or my writing very seriously and getting your panties into a bunch over some light, harmless jabs I tossed at one of your "collegauges" is so incredibly asinine there isn't words for it.

And yeah perhaps it is tacky to promote yourself in the message boards of other blogs but I felt the "plug" was relevant considering that virtually everybody else was giving their goodbyes and I had already written one on my site and felt it would be in better taste to link what I had wrote instead of copying and pasting the entire damn post into the comment section and really being an attention whore. And come to think of it, I didn't even post a damn link. I just MENTIONED I had wrote something.

So in conclusion, blow me, you useless sycophant.

And yes, the blogger beef is real!

DocZeus said...

Trey-

Let me quickly qualify some of my comments about Breihan. He does engage in stuff that's quote unqoute "real hip hop" like Lupe, The Roots, Wu-Tang but all of those acts are more or less mainstream acts. They get their stuff on MTV/BET/radio so they can't really be considered underground. It seems to me that he won't deal with an act (unless they are a Southern underground rap act like Killer Mike or Devin teh Dude) unless their is certain critical buzz around them in which it becomes necessary for him to engage the act. I would literally shit my pants if I saw Elzhi get mentioned postively or even mentioned on Status Ain't Hood. I suppose that might be because Tom's a "pop" music critic which requires a certain amount of popularity.

I personally don't really think the label of real hip hop head fits me even though that's what sort of I've been pidgeoned in. I don't really care for acts like Mos Def, Talib, recent Common, dead prez, Immortal Technique, etc. My taste is a bit more ecletic than you suppose. I like T.I., Kanye, Jay-Z, David Banner, some Three 6 Mafia (even if I think there somewhat walking minstrels), Young Buck, The Game (somewhat). I try to judge an artist by their output. I don't hugely care for Wayne because I think he's average lyrically, his songwriting is weak, and his beats aren't exactly my cup of tea.

Ok, I have got to get my ass home.

Jordan said...

To ride Breihan's dick a little, (is it possible to no homo those words?) I actually really like it when he talks about something like "This is Why I'm Hot," because it does have its own kind of singular undeniable appeal, which most people just dismiss as "it's catchy." But Breihan doesn't ever take that as a cop out, and really analyzes a song like that in a way that's never condescending (part of the reason I'm always confused when people accuse him of that). And it's pretty useful because "simple" pop music I think usually has a more universal appeal, than more "intellectual" music, where the appeal is a lot more subjective (that is to say you could like The Coup because you agree with what they're saying or you disagree with what they're saying, or you haven't really thought about what they're saying and it gets you thinking, or you think the beat knocks and don't really pay attention to the lyrics, or some combination of that, but people generally like "This Is Why I'm Hot" for the same reasons)

Also back in the Combat Jack days people always called him out because they said his platform was so big, but those same guys never went after Kelefa Sanneh, who if anything had even more pop/no real hip hop tastes (Let's Get It: Thug Motivation 101 was his album of the year in '05!) and a much bigger platform. Now Sanneh is a great writer (imo better than Breihan) and I don't think he should have been called out, but the fact that he wasn't kinda shows the narrow racial focus everyone had with Breihan back then. (Similarly, Breihan is just one man, but the NY Times as a whole didn't cover The Show or Europass.)

I know Jayson claimed he's not gonna read this, but as a pretty regular reader of this blog, it really isn't tombreihansucks.blogspot.com. As far as I know that doesn't exist. There is a blog entirely dedicated to bashing Armond White, though.

Trey Stone said...

but maybe it's just because he doesn't like those artists rather than them being under-the-radar or underground. i know the couple Elzhi songs i heard that Passion of the Weiss posted and you referenced a while back weren't my thing at all in beats or rhymes. eMC i still haven't really checked out but from the bits i've heard i'm pretty it'd be similar. and i thought he said he liked Wale a little bit ago, even though yeah, there's a buzz around him now (that you crazy bloggers have partially manufactured...i'm onto your anti-Weezy shenanigans)

i mean, when he did that post about AZ and Guilty Simpson it seemed to me (i skim sometimes though, no Jay-Z) like he was grudgingly fronting like they'd put out good albums just because he'd been bugged about 'em in the comments. i'd rather read his thoughts on the new Wayne, Snoop, Rick Ross, or yes even Wale than see him do some token "here's some good real hip hop" for stuff he doesn't seem to especially like.

tray said...

first off it's Trey not tray. not that i don't understand but no offense to tray (ie yes offense) i consider my comments a lot more reasoned than his rampant conscious/alt rap hating/"Rick Ross and Jeezy kill Kanye West"-isms.

Oh come on. You don't even like Nas AND Wu-Tang, who actually are extraordinarily talented, unlike Kanye, who's like, I don't know, today's Puffy... if Puffy were a douche who didn't know enough to realize he needed a ghostwriter. Ross and Jeezy are fun bad rappers who don't pretend to be anything more than that. Hurray for rappers who know their limits.

Anyway, Breihan's a talented writer who probably would've attracted way less vitriol if he had stuck to reviewing pop and pop-rap, which he gets, as opposed to the rest of rap, which he doesn't. He only likes stuff that's fun, stuff that's weird and esoteric, and stuff that's wrenchingly emotional; this is why he rates One For All over Illmatic, some Pitbull album no one ever heard over HHID, and loves 8 Diagrams. But he was always worth a read and was pretty spot-on when it came to relatively obscure southern rappers and the stuff you hear on the radio. Finally, about Wayne, is Carter 3 really any better than 500 Degreez or Carter 1? I enjoy a lot of Carter 3, but it's very incohesive and kind of falls apart toward the second half.

Trey Stone said...

Jeezy yes (although fun is up for dispute on some of his stuff,) Ross no. i'll admit i haven't heard all of Ross's debut, but what i have heard outside of "Hustlin'" is trash, and his new one sucks.

not that you don't make some good points i agree with sometimes, just that you try too hard. mostly with your "criticisms" of Kanye and some of your reasoning for why rappers like Lupe suck (he's really not as pretentious as you think, or really pretentious at all)

Trey Stone said...

and yes C3 is better than the first Carter. this isn't really a question unless you somehow can't see a ridiculous improvement in Wayne's rapping now. Fresh brings it on the production but outside of the highlights some of 'em play to diminishing returns, it's one of those albums where its sonic consistency and length works against it

Trey Stone said...

also, about Breihan not "getting" real rap: maybe he just doesn't fucking like it. crazy concept i know, since i myself don't "get" a bunch of classic albums outside of OutKast, Biggie, Snoop and Dre's

Zilla Rocca said...

Trey:

My apologies for getting your name crossed up. My bad.

Like I said, tell me 5 of Weezy's best verses, past or present, and I'll listen to them or read the lyrics.

I cannot listen to Carter III because after listening to Carter's 1 & 2 and Dedication 1 & 2, I've absorbed more than enough of a guy who has nothing to say but does it in an interesting way.

I respect his techincal level of talent and the chances he takes singing and being a shitty guitarist on stage. Sizzurp is a hell of drug. He sucked dick on "barry bonds, "Hello Brookyln" and "Breaking My Heart" the last 3 songs I heard him on. So I'm leaving it up to you to make me care about him.

And if he comes off properly, I will give him his props. Simple as that.

Trey Stone said...

i mean the thing is i'm not someone who bases my enjoyment of rap on real specific lines. verses OK, but is it really that hard to just listen to it? Wayne to me is more about the feel than any specific verses.

of the ones you named, i only think he "sucked dick" on "Barry Bonds," the "Hello Brooklyn" feature was fun and not meant to be a proper verse and him and Phonte are close on "Breakin My Heart." he definitely got Big Pooh though, not that that's necessarily hard

but anyway...as far as whole songs i'd suggest, i dunno, "Mr. Carter," "A Milli," "Dr. Carter," "Phone Home," "Tie My Hands," "Let the Beat Build..." i mean i think he's on-fire for the whole album with the slight exception of the more crossover stuff, where he's good but not quite as great. as far as verses, if you really want me to get into that..."3 Peat" (it's a Dynasty-style freestyle opener,) the first verse of "Mr. Carter," all of "A Milli" is cold, same for "Dr. Carter" though i guess i might pick the second verse if i had (that and the third are close,) the third verse of "Phone Home," all of "Tie My Hands," the end of "Let the Beat Build" where he speeds up his flow, second verse of "Shoot Me Down," the last verse of "Playing with Fire," his verse on "You Ain't Got Nuthin..." i mean after a while it's just splitting hairs for me though. and you'd base your opinion of a Wayne verse off reading the lyrics? c'mon man. aside from confirming an exaggerated criticism i make of overly "lyrically"-minded hip-hop fans that just doesn't work with Wayne especially, he's about how his voice and flow interact with the lyrics.

all i'm saying is that listen to C3 before you keep criticizing Wayne the same way, C2 and D2 were 2-3 years ago and he's kept improving and expanding. actually i think it was on The Drought Is Over Part 4 where he started getting more interesting, even though i like a good part of Da Drought 3. keeping with the bloghate bandwagon based on that material is sorta like writing off Jay-Z before listening to The Blueprint(s), it's not a complete perspective. 'course if you think every rapper has to be coldly lyrical in a Rakim/Nas sense then you'll probably never like Wayne save "Dr. Carter," "Tie My Hands" and maybe "Shoot Me Down," but then he's taking chances, he's not sticking himself in any traditionalist lyrical box.

Trey Stone said...

know you said you'd either listen or read the lyrics by the way, but just the idea of basing an opinion of a rap song on a lyric sheet is silly to me

Zilla Rocca said...

Wow. You cats type alot.

And I will read the lyrics because to me, and this is just my opinion, a great LYRICIST has bars that are outstanding when you're reading them as flat words (like the old Hip Hop Quotables in the Source).

Entertainer, like Biz Mark and ODB and Flavor Flav, are the opposite. If Wayne wants to be the best rapper/lyricist/maneater, so be it--I will judge him like any other person who wants that distinction. I'll listen and read the songs you suggested.

misterchane said...

people defecate far too frequently on Big Pooh of Little Brother....the brother is a solid emcee..I think Lil' Wayne had more groan inducing metaphors/similies in his verse but Pooh had the stronger verse (based on Zilla Rocca's reading it on flat paper rubric)
So for me it is Phonte at #1 Pooh at #2 and Lil' Wayne @ #3 in terms of verse construction on "Breaking my Heart.....

Purple Haze - i bought it and i bump it...but hey, i like Public Enemy #1 as well (Cam and Tom Gist only)

Breihan was a good writer
Noz was/is a good writer
Keelefa Sanneh will always be admired because he big upped Turf Talk

DocZeus said...

"Breihan was a good writer
Noz was/is a good writer
Keelefa Sanneh will always be admired because he big upped Turf Talk"

I completely agree on all three accounts. And that Turf Talk was pretty cool as well. I completely slept on it.

Trey Stone said...

i do type a lot lol, what can i say. try to cover all my bases. i've been getting better though.

and don't you think that a really dope lyric delivered in the wrong way can make it sound like shit?